Of course dinosours existed, we have found their bones and even some that still live today, dinosour = giant lizzard = nile crocodile etc. Creationists believe in dinosours in a much more real way than you would expect.

Why don’t you disagree with my statement with some proper proof rather than just giving some rhetorical question? The consept is not to complicted at first glance. God created the universe very good as He states in his Word, but he wanted to share His love with free-willed beings, so he created angels and humans. Lucifer became jealous of God and rebelled agains Him, as did all of humanity. We have to rebel against God to make up our own minds to serve Him through choise. Whats the use of people serving you if you force them to? But God is also rightshous, and has to punish sin, (after all He makes the rules, He is God) so he figured out a way that the infinite punishment required for sin can be paid in a finite time. He offered His Son, fullly man so He could carry our sin, fully God so it could happen in a finnite time.

God created a good world, but He cursed it with death because Adam, and all of us, choose to rebel against Him. The pain and suffering of this world is mostly the result of sin, your own or someone elses, but be honest, if everyone has alsways done the ten commandments, an loved their neightbour, wouldn’t most of the problems in the world dissapear?

The dinosours died out in the ice-age following the global flood of Noah, there is tons of evidence that supports this theory, check it out.

Thank you for reciting your fairy tale, I see you know it by heart, good boy.. and please don’t talk to me about about using proper proof with you it’s comical :-)

All discussion is impossible between you and me I hope you realise it, you seem to have the full vocabulary which I reject as total bullshit, “our sin” what sin? “ten commandments” in your dreams, “Adam” HAHAHA, “Lucifer” No comment, I stop here it’s too ridiculous.

Yes I know these arguments are probably useless accross different worldviews. What I was trying to point out is that evolution, like creationism, is a philosophical and religious worldview that determines how you interpret the world u see. If you want to keep lying to yourself on the nature of your belief in evolution, fine, or are u going to actually make an argument against my initial post. At the moment you have merely ridiculed me, without any real argument. Scared?

Not scared, about what? You know when I was at school I didn’t learn about evolution, at all! I’ve learn about it when in university I was becoming interested in artificial life, and so I didn’t have a proper introduction to Darwin’s theory until I was past 20.

Anyway, only time travellers can go and see, all the others have only talk, so I’m not convinced of the evolution of species, but obviously to me it makes sense, after studying by myself for artificial life the theory.

But anyway what make me say that it is impossible to talk with someone who learnt the bible by heart is that I could be that person so easily, it’s so simple, so stupid, to be a christian believer, you just have to believe and read a book and continue to believe in this fairy tales, and you’ll have lots of friends who you can relate to in the love of God. But the fact that this is pure bullshit, you will fight against it, your mind needs to be convinced that it’s true, that’s what I can’t do, that’s where µI see I can’t be that person, because you need blind faith in a fairy tale created by humans, for humans.

Why does it makes sense to me? Because when I think about it I don’t see anything that could make it impossible per see. I mean there is nothing wrong in thinking that actual species have evolves on millions of years of reproductions, really nothing wrong.
Except if you already believe in a fairy tales that says otherwise, that’s the only reason that could make you think this is impossible.

Hi James

You know, blind faith does not account for much in my book. I believe because it is very logical and the only way to explain the world I see.

Do you realise that artificail life will in fact disprove evolution? If hundreds of smart scientists are needed to “create” life, it proves that life could not happen randomly, as evolution teaches.

Yes, evolution seems to make sense, but when you get down to the facts, its just not possible.

On what basis do you call the bible a fairytale? The truth of the matter is that it is probably the best preserved record of human history there is. There are so many proofs and reasons to at least consider the bible a very authentic historical document that I won’t even start with it here. Why do you call it a fairytale, on what grounds? Otherwise I can just make wild claims without backing them also!

You know, the more I studies about evolution, the more I came to see that the bible was right all along. I used to believe in evolution, and I did not change my opinion on what the bible or any church said. I had so many questions that could not be answered propery, that I lost faith in evolution.

You realise that you reject creation and embrace evolution because you don’t want the bible to be true?

Reply to: thenack

God created the universe very good as He states in his Word, but he wanted to share His love with free-willed beings, so he created angels and humans. Lucifer became jealous of God and rebelled agains Him, as did all of humanity.

Hehehehehehe, and you actually believe all this?? Man, this is just, well urghhh, I just won’t say it …

Reply to: thenack

You know, blind faith does not account for much in my book. I believe because it is very logical and the only way to explain the world I see.

Hmmm, you said that it’s “very logical”, well really?? Care to explain how is this so, I mean, how can something you’ve never seen (i.e. God, Jesus etc.) possibly be logical and not only that, how can it be “the only way to explain the world” ??

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I think on the other hand, that you were exposed to this fairy tale from your early childhood and that you somewhat rebelled against it during your teens, but after much thought you went back to it in adulthood. That’s what happens for many many people, because being exposed regularly to this makes marks in your brain and you’re more inclined to believe it than if you grew up without this “explanation of the world”

Anyway, about evolution I don’t see one thing that makes it illogical, for me it could have happened, at least that’s not something that has been invented by humans for humans, like the monotheistic religions are. Of course Darwin wrote his theory, but it’s just a work in progress, and honestly I didn’t read it, I simply understand the idea and thinking about it I say to myself, that’s a possible explanation, it explains a few things even if we don’t understand the process.

And honestly I don’t see why monotheists cannot bend their holy books to include it, because God being so great he could have made man by creating life in the simplest form..

Anyway that’s bullshit but it’s just to explain to you that it could be God since he’s so great.

It’s not that I don’t want the bible to be true, for me it’s just a book and I find it unbelievable that so many people still hold it for truth, so the question of weither or not it’s true is not relevant, of course it is pure bullshit, I’m not talking about parts of it that could be historically true or not, but about the total bullshit/surnatural events, that is bullshit and only minds which have been exposed to this during childhood believe it. I’m sorry but ask any MENTALLY SANE person who has not been exposed to a religion during childhood to begin believing in those stories: that’s impossible.

You see the difference between you and me I guess is that I don’t need absolutely an explanation for everything, because I understand our position in the universe, so it’s not because I cannot have answers to important questions that I will settle with fairy tales explanations or give up evolution just because it’s ok but not perfect! IT’s a work in progress, and as I said only time travellers can tell for sure.

Sorry for saying bullshit so many times talking about holy books but that’s what I really think.

James, I can understand you point, I gather you are Hindu or Bhudist?

We have very strong paradigms in our minds that are created during childhood, this is very true. I just feel that we have the capability to break our paradigms, if we whant the truth.

I respect your point of view on all of this, I just have to let you know that there is a spiritual realm, whether you think so or not, and because of this millions of people who were previously not brought up in montheistic homes, are now Chritains. One of the biggest spiritual Christian Churches in the world is in China and another one on India. That is thework of real religion, The Holy Spirit can change minds and hearts. But if it wasn’t for that, you are right, under normal surcumstances, people don’t really change.

You said this will be impossible, I tell you yes, unless there is divine intervention. The fact that there are so many christians in these countries should get you thinking!

James I have always found you very polite and a great guy. I am not trying to pick a fight and feel we can learn from each other.

Keep well

Thenack

Hello, don’t worry the fight is always the same between two people who strongly believe in their own things and won’t probably change their mind, so the best is not to discuss about the topic, otherwise not minding having argumentation (useless)
But it is lost time.

Anyway, I’m not hindu or buddhist, they also believe in fairy tales you know. Me I consider myself an agnostic although recently when I’m fed up I’m more of an attheist.
Me I think that if there’s a creator it is SURELY not what is written in any holy books which are artefacts made by humans for humans.

So I think that if there’s a creator of the universe, he would be creator of the universe and not of the universe and humans, because he could not care less about humans. It’s our (humanity) own misplaced proudness for our tiny achievements that made so many people confortable with thinking that their god is caring about their own little person.

So anytime I see a post about religion I can’t help myself and put my words, which are of course not appreciated I understand, since on senserely there isn’t much going on, at the end of the day only my comments are up, and no other christian to support your initial blog, but that shouldn’t bother you at all as we’re not here to have a fight or even a discussion, but create pages that can be interesting for someone looking for such a topic in a search engine, at least that’s my goal when I post something where there’s my adsense id.

Cheers,
James

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So I think that if there’s a creator of the universe, he would be creator of the universe and not of the universe and humans, because he could not care less about humans. It’s our (humanity) own misplaced proudness for our tiny achievements that made so many people confortable with thinking that their god is caring about their own little person.

… do not wholy agree with you on this one James. I mean, my personal opinion is (or the way I see things) that although one peson’s life is totally insignificant, the evolving of the human mind/civilization as a whole OTOH is not (i.e. isn’t insignificant), for instance, for the beginning I am thinking about the “ability” of us humans to be aware of our own existance (well, animals do to, but not to such extent) etc. So this is a quite an unexplained “miracle” for me (i.e. the life itself)

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So you are ready to believe in another explanation made up by humans. We cannot be objective about our own achievements since we are humans! I always found it fascinating that humans would believe they are so great when we’re obviously not. We can’t communicate on an intimate level with other species, dolphins, ants, eagles, so we made up gods that have created everything around humans, because we fear so much feeling alone hahaha!

Honestly, the things you see as extraordinary regarding human achievements in technology are a fly-shit in the universe and we see and evaluate only what we can comprehend, so that’s always a self-centered vision. What we did invent is writing, that’s where it kind of all start from regarding our memory and those boring religions. Maybe dolphins have invented writing too, at the bottom of the ocean in one way or another and are conscious of their own history, who would know since we’re so unable to communicate with them when they obviously have a complex language? We know close to nothing about everything but still we have this sense of great achievement: that’s misplaced proudness!

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So you are ready to believe in another explanation made up by humans. We cannot be objective about our own achievements since we are humans! I always found it fascinating that humans would believe they are so great when we’re obviously not. We can’t communicate on an intimate level with other species, dolphins, ants, eagles, so we made up gods that have created everything around humans, because we fear so much feeling alone hahaha!

… what “explanation made up by humans” in particular do you mean here. I was thinking about, err… well, it’s just the way I see things, I suppose and hope that it’s not some general peoples’ believing, and also I wasn’t talking about anything super-natural or something.

Reply to: james

Honestly, the things you see as extraordinary regarding human achievements in technology are a fly-shit in the universe and we see and evaluate only what we can comprehend, so that’s always a self-centered vision. What we did invent is writing, that’s where it kind of all start from regarding our memory and those boring religions. Maybe dolphins have invented writing too, at the bottom of the ocean in one way or another and are conscious of their own history, who would know since we’re so unable to communicate with them when they obviously have a complex language? We know close to nothing about everything but still we have this sense of great achievement: that’s misplaced proudness!

Exactly, and I primarily meant life as a whole (alhtough it may have not sounded like that), then the human mind/civilization etc. as I wrote above. You know, in general I see life (think about it) more like that it’s a great opportunity: an opportunity to observe all this (what’s around you), to “be there”/”be present”, to be able to appertain history when it’s happening/it’s being written, to take “place in time” from-this-year-to-this, and so on. As a part of a “great continuous cycle” (i.e. time as we know it), and this is where all the animals are IMO somewhat equally included.

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Hello I

You mock me but you don’t even give your own view? Or do you mock without even having your own opinion?

Almost all people believe something on the topic of how the universe and life got started. You either have the pantheists who believe alot of gods, usually figting, killed some huge beast with the result = earth. You have many montheistic religions that believe some creator god created life, ant then you have people who believe the universe created itself. All of these are religious in nature. I must say that there is clear evidence for incredible design and complexity in nature. As humans we should understand that to create anything needs planning, intelect, effort, design and work. Nothing we see on earth goes from nothing to something by itsef. That is the most basic premise on which I base my belief that there has to be some higer power and purpose. Ironically, the scientists that are trying to create life in a laboratory are proving this exact point. It will take many scientists many years of hard work and imense amounts of inteligence, to create but a part of a protein that is necessary to eventuall, if ever, get even the simpelest DNA going in a test tube. If you don’t get this point, just take a while to think about it.

To believe the universe created itself requires way too much faith for me. Besides, if we are the result of random processes, why should we even trust our thoughts on random processes? Randomness brings for randomness, nor order.

Perhaps you can stop just mocking and actually say why and what it is you believe.

Kind regards

Thenack

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You mock me but you don’t even give your own view? Or do you mock without even having your own opinion?

… yes, I should have know better that it will sound (a bit) too “harsh”. But anyway, I do have an opinion (my very own), but I think that it should be obvious from my comments.

cheers and thake care, Ivan Tadej (user: “tayiper”)

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What you don’t seem to be able to understand is that I can bear with the fact that we don’t and can’t know the answers to those questions, and that instead of settling for some rubbish explanation invented by humans, I am aware of the place of human in the universe and I accept that we are and will proably be until I die, too dumb to comprehend the creation of universe, and that one thing is for sure: it’s not in a stupid book, this is for children only, and resulting adults, like santa claus.

I’m amazed at the amount of stupidity that is shared amongst those who believe in religions, yesterday I read some argument between christians and muslims, what a bunch of dumbasses, they’re both wrong but they argue about who is right and who is wrong, but it is so obvious that they’re both wrong, but they would team to beat me before beating themselves..

Anyway what I think? That’s what I said only time travellers can tell for sure, and I don’t know one, and even if I knew one I would not trust his word but would like to go with him in the time machine and see it for myself!

Anyway, let’s stop discussion with me please, going nowhere and after that I’ll begin insulting :-)

Just joking but honestly that’s going nowhere. I’m right you think you’re too, final dot.

Hey James, that last reply was for Ivan or someone who commented

Keep well

thenack

Ok, the comment system is very basic and is not very intuitive, so to reply to a particular comment you have to click on “reply” at the bottom of the comment.

I think Ivan is also an Atheist or Agnostic.